James O’Brien: ‘You think that’s fine, I think it is terrifying.’ James O’Brien’s clash with retired police officer over proof needed to arrest someone. James O’Brien clashed with a retired police officer who believes police need “no proof” to make an arrest if they decide a citizen is “potentially distressing”. After an arrest of a 22-year-old woman at St Giles Cathedral who held an anti-monarchy poster, James O’Brien posed a question: “Freedom of speech, does it extend to holding up anti-monarchy placards?” James shared that he felt it was the not the right time but that he does not agree with police “carting” away those who do so and refuse to leave. Retired police officer Dave in Lewisham called in to give his thoughts. “It is a section 5 public order offence it’s causing harassment alarm or distress,” he started. James inquired: “Do you not need someone to tell you that they are distressed…don’t you need proof that someone is in distress?” The caller insisted: “No you make that call yourself.” To clarify the caller’s stance James said: “Any police officer can cart away someone holding a sign they don’t like and claim they have done so because they believe it was causing distress, despite having no evidence that it was… that’s not right.” Dave maintained his thoughts: “It is completely right.”
Addressing the situation at St Giles Cathedral James said: “A police officer there decided that a placard could cause distress to some ‘as yet unspecified person’ and therefore he is allowed to arrest them – for possession of cardboard.” In response, the caller said: “Yes but it’s not for possession of cardboard,” accusing James of being “semantic”. Later on in the exchange, James added: “You think it’s fine [that] a copper… saw a piece of cardboard with some words on it he decided it might be distressing and then arrested the person in possession of the cardboard.”
The caller continued to support his view saying: “Absolutely.” To complete his point James said: “We are not arguing with each other, you just think that’s fine and I think that is profoundly frightening.”
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I bet it would be a completely different matter it they were holding up signs the obnoxious O'Brien didn't agree with, he had a meltdown about supporters boo at players taking the knee, what a hypocrite.
The woman protesting Boris as a racist knows he imported 1.1 million non Europeans in just 1 year. I hope she has a place to white flight to, because I don’t
The situation was the appointment of a monarch, the perfect time to object to monarchy.
Good Lord Almighty! WTF is going on in the UK?
God in Bruce Almighty will be quivering in his Jesus sandals
Total bullshit…
Yes it is the point that copper admits he is a royalists so it is him saying biasedly allow it, imagine if hyperthcally there was a event like this but say about a nonce, then some protester was there, but the copper was a pro noncist if that is even a word.. so then that copper biasedly arrest the protester🤦♂️
😄 public places of mournings, it is a public street it is not someone's private land, dam I am glad thay copper is a ex, maybe he is a ex for good reasons.
If someone was made anxious or angry by words, then they need to sort their issue/s out, life dont give them a red carpet.
Another thing is all the time and money and traffic blocked because a road was being used for the monarchy, he and others have every right to protest.
If some person who hated me or someone else decided to protest at a funeral say the place was open to all rhe public, then I would not do anything about it, aslong as they don't assault or and go on areas I paid for on that day.
Also from my experience the police dotn do fk all about things they should sort when they are bloody useless tbh.
The fact is the police definitely during covid bs time the metropolitan police are obviously corrupted and should be massively reformed👍
Talking about his safety, I say allow any unsafe thing to happen to the anti royalist protester, not as I want any decent person to be harmed, but it will highlighted the royalists who should be locked up for causing physical harm to the protester, in this case them 2 fat cnt royalists dragging and pushing the protester should of been imprisoned not the protester for saying things 👍🤦♂️
A policeman is the last person you’ll get any sense out of it.
That is stupid that public order act, any copper could say something is bad and then arrest them, that is a system that can be corrupted🤦♂️
Anything could be classed as harassment, alarm, distress when it comes to being verbal, I could say I am anxious as some royalist said the monachy should still exist, it is just words it only should be a criminal matter if someone made a threat 👍
Welcome to China, Russia ,N Korea.
A spotty faced copper has the authority to arrest you based on HIS/HER JUDGEMENT…not the law…yes frightening.
Section 5 is behavior likely to cause alarm or distress. Not language written or spoken, that was removed from section 5 back in 2012. Unless you're abusing or threatening someone you have a basic human right to freedom of expression even if people are offended, there's no law against offending people. We also have a right to protest.
#AbolishTheMonarchy
I agree it’s terrifying. How unlike James O’Lefty, I also thought it was terrifying when street preachers were being arrested for reading the bible, and men arrested for stating biology on Facebook.
Our James here is a hypocritical prick
JUSTICE BY STATUS https://youtu.be/R6Ba_RuiCEw BACKED UP BY THE CORRUPT PCC https://youtu.be/nHufBVItXdE and a corrupt MP https://youtu.be/JtAbWBUDeB0
Everyone should have the right to say things that others find offensive or distressing. I don't care if you are a royal, a commoner, a woman, a man, trans, cis, gay, straight, black, white, atheist, christian, muslim, whatever. Others have a fundamental right to tell you things that you hate or upset you. That this basic idea has been lost in the UK is horrible. Absolutely awful.
Alot of people don't want Charlie as king but shh don't make your opinion heard.
Does James ever let people respond without interruption
When did we come Russia
Exactly how has the richest woman in the country who has blocked any citizen outside her family from becoming head of state, earned anyone's respect.
Dave in Lewisham deserves what Blakelock got ⚔️⚔️⚔️
People aren't mourning, this is mass hysteria.
I think the wording in law is likely to cause distress !! That's the problem the word likely can be interpreted anyway you like
ACAB – and pretty thick as well.
So. We can be arrested for an idea. Depending on the idea…